Posts by cha ching

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Personal story of bethel, sexual abuse and child baptism

by GetMeOutofHere in

born into a strong jw family in the early 80s.

my father died when i was 4 and that left a huge emotional scar on my tender mind.

with my mother, i went to live with family members and was sexually abused between 4 and 10. he was an ms but when elders later found out, all that happened was he got his privileges removed.

cha ching

PS, GetMeOutofHere...

Another way to help your wife 'get out' is to simply do more and more fun things together.

In WTville, 'life' and fun is put on hold.... for future days. Family life, relationships are not really developed the way they could be. It usually centers around *studying for some meeting *going to the meeting *going out in service *going to the conventions *preparing talks *studying the Watchtower *answering at the Watchtower *taking the speaker out to lunch.

WT counts on this "hamster wheel" of activity to keep you indoctrinated... if you are not at the meetings for a while, your brain is able to start thinking.

So, one of the things you can do just let her brain start thinking and enjoying life. Take her dancing, take her to the movies, take her on trips on the weekend so you don't go out in service, take her 2 an art class together, go to the beach, go to museums, she will enjoy the time with you, love being with you and will not miss going to the meetings as much.

Her brain will start working and slowly, with questions , one question at a time actually, she can start to wake up.

Some have tried un-witnessing to their family with questions as if they heard it out in service, "one guy asked me if I heard about the Australian Royal Commission." I said no, so I looked it up... do you think that we have the only true religion in the world? (Wait for answer) I cant believe what Geoffrey Jackson replied to this...

Not exact words, but the point is to give a tiny bit of info, make her curious... see how she reacts... if not positive, try another approach...

Number one, give her fun!

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I was surprised today by what I saw a JW driving

by days of future passed in

i was out thrift shopping where my sister lives.

before i went in to the store, i went to donut shop a few doors down.

as i walked up, there by the window was a family and others eating donuts.

cha ching

I get why you were surprised... I grew up in the 60's / 70's.... and on when having anything but a 4 door car that was modest was frowned upon....

Are you being materialistic?

Are you being flashy, immodest?

Can't your funds be given to WT to help build K Halls?

That is what was drilled into us, and people frown on those that were acting "worldly" by buying such cars. They weren't 'spiritual' or 'putting the Kingdom first."

Except...... If you were VERY rich, VERY 'up on the favored list' ... somehow it was 'ok' for you to flash your $$

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Personal story of bethel, sexual abuse and child baptism

by GetMeOutofHere in

born into a strong jw family in the early 80s.

my father died when i was 4 and that left a huge emotional scar on my tender mind.

with my mother, i went to live with family members and was sexually abused between 4 and 10. he was an ms but when elders later found out, all that happened was he got his privileges removed.

cha ching

Welcome, and hugs GMOOH. It is a cold, hard, cruel fact to come across that despite all the personal "relationships" (built on your loyalty to WT) that this organization... WT, is a machine.

You have been promised many things, resurrection of a dear loved one, eternal youth, happiness.... all on the contingency that you 'keep your mouth shut' and just wait.... and wait..... and wait... for the ever changing policies, doctrines, promises.

The first time I went on this "apostate site" I was anxious that someone would 'discover me', and know who I was.... but that is unlikely, it is a fear that WT puts in you. "Where will you go?" I just said "anywhere but here, and I don't have to know."

I, however, left with my husband and two children and sister. You have a wife and a mom left.... Have you ever reported the abuse to the police? The person who abused you is most likely abusing others. Does your wife know about the abuse? Sometimes, when these things come to light, and people see how the "WT" deals with abuse victims (despite all their nice little WT articles about it lately) people start to see the beast for what it is.

My husband was an elder, had to make a choice of giving a deposition against the WT and being DF'd or 'playing the game'. He told the truth and he and my sons got DF'd to keep it all quiet.

Take one day at a time. It is all your choice, your circumstances. Don't do anything hastily, you have time. When we first left, it seems like I had to explain it all to everyone, everywhere.... Nope, you don't need to. Relax. Post here, read here and other sites. Many, many, many have gone thru and are going thru the same thing.

Hugs, cha ching

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How to avoid getting disfellowshipped for having a wordly girlfriend?

by cookiemaster in

hey guys, i've been pimo going on full inactive for a very long time, 5+ years.

pretty happy with the current situation.

over the years, i've gotten lots of grief from the local elders and cos for my inactivity, attending wordly public events and social media posts.

cha ching

Oh my, what a mess your in.... what a tangled web.

WT is totally against 'having your cake and eating it too', and if you have 'been in' until now, you should know it.

Lately, conventions, magazines, talks and everything are geared to 'shunning anyone and anything that is not "totally in."'

I am sorry, you should just get the most out of life that you can. Be happy, be merry, and do not worry about JWs.... Be prepared, you most likely will lose your mum and dad. (look at the Pale Emperor's post "I just saw my mom the first time in 3 years")

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I saw my mother today for the first time in three years

by pale.emperor in

i saw my mother today for the first time in three years..

she was on one of the witnessing carts in town at a station i don’t usually get off at.

i did today as i was dropping my daughter off somewhere.

cha ching

I am with you, Pale. I don't even think of my "mother" as "my mother".... she is just another person.

JW's do not even encourage a close 'family' relationship if all are IN the Borg..... it is all about :

*studying for the meetings, going to the meetings, and field service (good boy, good girl)

*Do you know your books of the bible? (good boy, good girl)

* We are going on vacation and will still go to the meetings.

Some families connect on a personal level, most do not... and that is the simply sad but true part. That is why parents can leave their children behind....

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On Petition For A Writ Of Certiorari To The Court Of Appeal Of The State Of California, Fourth Appellate District, Division Two

by lastmanstanding in

has anyone read and considered the watchtower’s final submission to the supreme court?.

gag.. also, have you read and considered the final submission by zalkin?.

it’s interesting for sure.. zalkin hammers it home.

cha ching

They sure seem arrogant to me... First, they basically lie to the courts when they say 'we don't keep records of pedophiles', then they get caught by a statement that they made, Irwin recognized it, made them say that they do keep records, then the WT says "It will take us sooooooo long to find them, print them, whatever them" ..... THEN the WT refuses to turn over evidence, being fined $4,000 (?) a day..... Probably so that they would have time to redact any information that would be of value when they finally did cave in and turn the evidence over.

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Jehovah's Witnesses's cover up of Child Abuse subject of NBC News Special in Sacramento California.

by Balaamsass2 in

kudos to the members of this group whose tireless work got this in-depth news special into every living room within 60 miles of the california capitol.

every top cop, prosecutor, and lawmakers aid was exposed to the dark side of watchtower.

my phone has been ringing........ https://www.kcra.com/article/silent-no-more-part-1-the-survivors/28659357.

cha ching

A quote from the SF Gate news article freom above.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Year-long-investigation-finds-allegations-of-14299087.php

"Irwin Zalkin, a San Diego-based attorney who has also represented Catholic abuse victims, got a decade's worth of documents from the database files, but can't disclose details due to a California judge's protective order shielding the files from public view for now.
In an interview in an ornate, wood-carved courtroom at his alma mater, California Western School of Law, Zalkin called the documents he's seen "disturbing."
"There are a lot of children that are being affected. Very, very badly... It's hard to know what's in that and not be able to talk about it," Zalkin said.
Despite a court order requiring disclosure, lawyers for the Jehovah's Witnesses organization are still fighting, appealing to heavily redact the files.
Zalkin says that in his experience, the Jehovah's Witnesses has been more defiant than the Catholic Church when it comes to disclosure of files detailing years of alleged abuse and the hierarchy's response to it."

JWs are now programmed to believe and say:

*We were told of these 'apostate lies'
*All organizations have pedophiles

*Jehovah is cleaning his organization

When the 'disturbing' content of these blue envelopes are revealed, it may be another story. When they realize that the 'upper brass' knew about these terrible tragedies and let abusers abuse, we will really be able to see the depth of mind control then.

*

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The Watchtower Society want basic human rights but ''somehow'' deny disfellowshipped members theirs

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jehovah’s witnesses imprisoned for their faith—by location.

locations where jehovah’s witnesses are put in prison, sometimes under harsh conditions, for practicing their faith and exercising basic human rights.. .

others are imprisoned for their conscientious objection to military service.. watchtower society: please don't lecture anyone on the denial of basic human rights when you take away the rights of disfellowshipped family members associating with their family and friends!.

cha ching

Agreed, the WT is the biggest hypocrite. It gets its members to believe two things at the same time every time.

Pulling back the curtain to expose them is the beginning.

Thx for the quotes and links!

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Can this be true: GB to court - NBC ??

by Festus in

is this a bad joke or "fake news"?.

nbc new york is claiming "attorneys are expected on monday to announce the filing of lawsuits in king's county supreme court against eight members of the governing body of the jehovah's witnesses for alleged child sexual abuse claims.".

eventhough i would enjoy to see this happen i am very suspiciouse concerning nbcs reliability with this case.. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/happening-today-nj-water-cosby-appeal-epstein-probe-536740491.html.

cha ching

https://www.kcra.com/article/silent-no-more-part-1-the-survivors/28659357

Irwin Zalkin will be featured on one of these three news stories. There was one tonight in California at 5:30 PM on KCRA 3, and we believe there are two more. One on Tuesday and the other on Wednesday.

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

cha ching

I like the itty bitty teeny tiny quote from the 2011 WT... which says (basically) 'if you go by the business tablets from Babylon's very own time period (instead of the huge picture of a rock (from 200 years later, from a different country) with a crack thru it, featured, highlighted, debated and discussed in detail as if it were the messiah of all discoveries) then Babylons fall was in 587. Period.

All of the blabbering they do in those two articles (cleverly broken up into two different months so you can't remember the "we'll discuss this later" crap they always do to divert your attention) is only done to make themselves look like they have done soooo much research.